Friday’s Rants from the Soap Box in my Living Room

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This week, I’ve got CRB forms in my sights, or now what are known as Disclosure and Barring Service checks. For those of you who don’t know what they are, if you don’t live in the UK, these forms are what people are required to complete and submit when applying to work with vulnerable adults, or children, or adoption or fostering, in this country, both in paid and or voluntary employment. They are so your employer, or social services,  can check what, if any convictions you have and deem you suitable and safe to work with these groups.CRB for Ranty Friday

I have nothing against being checked to see if I have a criminal record, I don’t have one, I have nothing to hide, and think that all people working with children and vulnerable adults  should be checked, thoroughly, to make sure they are safe to work with them. I do however object to the paperwork and ridiculous administration and faff that goes into this system and the fact that EVERY time you apply for something, you have to go through the process again, regardless of other checks that you have completed, and no matter how recent they are.

For example. I have recently started helping out in Big Girl’s class at school. I happily filled in the form, because I know it is needed, after all, they can’t just let anyone wander round a school full of children. (although it seems that if you are a celebrity or work in the BBC you are allowed to do pretty much whatever you want, it seems, but lets not go there!) and I have no issues with being checked. Sadly, there are people who would like to do harm to children or those who are unable to speak out, so there have to be systems in place to prevent this, where at all possible. The problem I have is that I currently hold 4 other current, complete and compatible CRB forms, from other parts of London, and the UK, one of which was only completed and approved less than 2 months ago. I have been through the system more than 10 times since it came into force (for work and voluntary purposes) and yet I still have to go through the same rigmarole, dig out papers proving my identity, including my marriage and birth certificates, because I was not born in the UK and fill in the forms, which if you have done them, you know how pernickety they are about what type of pen you use, and if you make too many mistakes or an error you have to re do the whole form.

I currently hold an up to date form for Kingston Upon Thames, where I work, one for Richmond (where I volunteer for a  Brownie pack) and now one for the school for Richmond, one for Surrey, where I have done some voluntary work, and also one for Merton Borough, because I will be doing some training with Social Services next year, with them, and need to be CRB’ed for them too. That’s 5 CRB checks and up to date forms currently in my name.

WHY, WHY, WHY can’t we have a single, up to date, database, where people’s details are entered, and then when they apply for a job or a position where a check is required, they be looked up and cleared? This could be updated every 3 years or whenever needed. Why do we need to jump through hoops, fill out forms, and gather more paperwork that then isn’t valid for anything else, when we apply for these checks? Surely the form I have recently completed could be used for my current application? No, I have to do it all again. Madness!

It’s government bureaucracy at it’s finest, and it’s a shambles. From what I have read, many people apply for the check, are cleared and yet are still actually found to be unsuitable to work with children or vulnerable adults. Surely having a system where there are so many organisations having to make the checks and each time a separate clearance is produced is chaotic and risky? Wouldn’t a centralised database be easier to manage and maintain and make things safer? I know after the Soham case, this system was put  in place to prevent such tragedies happening again, but the system is so complicated I don’t see how it really works properly. Surely with all separate counties, boroughs and organisation having to do checks people are slipping through the system or being declared criminals, incorrectly.

Mind you, Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Cambridge has had to do a CRB check so she could do volunteer work with the Scouts group, so I guess if she has, then I don’t mind too much… You’d think that someone marrying into the Royal Family, our future Queen, would have been vetted by sources far more competent that a local authority, but no, apparently she isn’t above the system, so I guess the rest of us mere mortals have to put up with it too!

What do you think? Do you think the current system works and that I need to go drink more decaff and stop ranting or do you agree with me that the system is complicated, outdated and disorganised? I am sure David Cameron promised to overhaul and simplify it, but I cannot find any articles on whether he did or not, and it seems to have become more complicated, with men who run burger vans within miles of schools having to be checked, and people who want to work in charity shops being targeted.

Do share your thoughts and don’t forget to click on the link to read other rants over at Mummy Barrow’s Blog.

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13 comments on “Friday’s Rants from the Soap Box in my Living Room
  1. mummybarrow says:

    My daughter was offered a job that requires one of these, months ago. References had to be taken up

    Which took a fortnight

    Then she had to go in with ID documents

    Then she had to fill in all this paperwork and send it off.

    And then wait

    And wait

    And wait

    And wait

    Still haven’t heard back from them and without them, she can’t start work. And can’t earn money.

    I agree we need them but with all the computers in the world does it really have to be this difficult?

    • motherofmadcatsandbabies says:

      That’s the stupid thing, one of mine took ten days to be done, and was back in my hand, the other took 8 weeks?? Depends on where you are, who is processing it. Madness!!

  2. I also agree they have to be done but it seems ludicrous that so many are needed in such a short space of time. Unfortunately, we have all the criminals to thank for this and the way they have evaded the system for many years, putting our children in danger and giving parents something to worry about. The problem is, as with everything these days, it’s all been taken out of proportion and the whole issue has got out of control. I suspect somewhere, sat in an office at Westminster most probably, are a group of individuals banging a key board, drinking coffee and discussing this weekend’s antics, whilst at the same time scrolling down lists and lists of names in order to earn their pay packet. Jobs for the boys, that’s what it boils down to.

    I was CRB’d years ago when I volunteered at my daughter’s school and I’ll always remember when the form came back to say I was okay to continue work there – the secretary, patronising old bag, smiled at me and said in a very ‘I can’t believe it voice, “you’ve passed, you can volunteer at the school.” Oh what joy, I thought. Two years later I fell out with them all and Amy left!

    My sister worked in two schools in the same area – half a week in one, half a week in the other, within about 6 miles of each other, and had to have a separate CRB for each. It really is madness.

    CJ x
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  3. I agree, it’s ridiculous that you have to do so many. Many people work and volunteer in lots of different capacities. It would be simpler for all concerned to have one single record of each person, which should be updated every three or five years.
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  4. The40yearold says:

    Does seem like a big pfaff doesn’t it. I live in Richmond upon Thames I’m now curious about where you’re working. 🙂

  5. Kara Guppy says:

    I agree that one check should cover everything – I have had to have two CRB checks – one as a childminder and one to help out at the school. The other ridiculous thing is that my 16 year old son has to have one as he lives at home and I am a childminder – another £5 down the drain!
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  6. Ojo Henley says:

    Totally get this! Why would more than one possibly be needed? My husband has to have one, as he works on buses that sometimes do school runs, which we both totally agree with. But even if he went to another bus company, he would still need another!? Ridiculous system.
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  7. I had no idea they were so complicated. Good idea but clearly the system needs to be completely overhauled and reorganised.
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  8. I am totally with you on this – I have a CRB check because of my driving instruction but I know very well that if I wanted to help at Graces school I’d have to have another one done and I really can’t be doing with the paperwork!! They need a central system! Thanks for linking to PoCoLo x
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